- Interviews 2009-2010
- I. Background and relationships
- Ii. Ideological residency and practice
- Iii. Destiny and life laws
- Iv. God or a larger, orderly body
- v. Health, ill health and care
- we. Faith and knowledge
- Vii. Visions and goals of the future
- Summary i-vii
"We're going to evolve into, like, Jesus. When we're done, we're like him."
What the interviewees say about what is the ultimate goal of humanity and with life here on earth.
Developments on Earth have gone through different phases. Since the advent of industrialism, development has accelerated. This development is progressing. It can be described as "the energy level should be raised here on earth". We are being re-created from animals to real people. Tendencies to be overcome are such as desire for ownership, self-assertion, egoism and nationalism. This will be done primarily through natural development, not through external edicts, laws, etc. "There's a little bit of a difference between us and the Stone Age man who clubs the neighbor to death there. So it's happened a little bit. But it is both darkness and light, until the date we realize that we are part of the whole."
Human history is seen in an ethical or moral context. The usual religions have so far played a crucial role in this:
Thousands of years ago, we were barbarians. We killed each other, and it was like… Yes, what did we have? We had Vikings and yes it was raw, and revenge was done on families and killed hello wildly. It was really barbaric. Then came the Old Testament. And then people actually started to sharpen up and become a little more humane. And then came the New Testament, because then you were open to a little more love and things like this.
There is too much focus on money in the world. Criticism is directed at people who are braceing themselves for the economic crisis:
Today it's money that governs, basically everything, I think. And to actually get away from this money… Money is to be made all the time. Look at this crash that's been now. All these billions that the state has pumped into all these countries. This money is missing, and it's missing because someone got it. Everyone who got all these billions.
The media goes the establishment's errands and chooses to remain silent about things that could be inconvenient, such as signs and even evidence that the Earth is actually visited by individuals from other planets:
It's just that there are no journalists who have picked up the data, because they go like sheep cooks like this and just run their usual stuff, huh. And then there's this stuff… It's taboo. They can't write about it or don't want to, or I don't know what it is.
There are journalists and writers who could help make these new perspectives known and respected. These are people who are perceived to have knowledge and a positive interest in things that are on the limit, but who for some reason choose to lie low or even ridicule new and interesting information. One of the great morning newspapers is described as such a "stop block". There is also too much focus on negative news:
I think it's going in the right direction. Humanity is moving in the right direction and… I am very much against this negative news that is, and the disaster alarms and all the misery that we are inundated with. And now it's about the climate. I think that's a huge overinterpretation of all the negatives.
When asked what the respondent would do if she gained power, she replied that she would replace politicians with wise people:
We teach our kids that they can't fight, and then we put the guys in the military and then they start shooting, and then there's war somewhere and then we put them there and then they kill a lot of people. But you can't go out on the street and kill anyone here, you get a penalty, but if you kill someone in war, that's okay.
One of the respondents claims that you will be considered "stupid in the head" if you claim that there are spaceships that can get to our planet from other civilizations. However, there should be information about such things on NASA's website, she claims, it's just that no one has made an effort to find it. Authorities in different countries have long covered up knowledge and observations made by visitors from outer space. However, some such classified information has now begun to come out, after researchers requested it. The security services of different countries cooperate on projects that the public is not told anything about. These authorities have knowledge of things like reincarnation and are busy trying to track down certain souls who have reincarnated, such as Adolf Hitler. One of the interviewees recently had a harrowing meeting:
After this conversation I had with this man yesterday, I don't know anything anymore. There they say you can decide where the souls are going, and you have to make amends for past lives, and now they're looking for Hitler to get his soul, and kill the man hitler is in. And this is the Swedish government that is doing this. High-ranking security officials. It sounds completely screwed.
A growing interest in new-age thoughts suggests that progress is being made:
Yes, we are becoming more and more human, and there is more and more love that is actually emerging. And we think more about life, it's a lot like this new age, and all that it is, a lot of people who are interested in things like this.
The earthly paradise is not so far away. An interviewee makes a parallel to technological developments:
But if you look at it from an astronomical point of view, it's a short time. And we can only see how the development has been forced since yes since industrialism began, for example, it is going furiously fast… If you buy a computer today and go home with it, it is already outdated when you are at home with it, as soon as possible. So that if the development is forced… Now it seems like it's going on a curve like this… Everything is moving at a furious pace now, and faster it will go.
Humanity has crossed a critical line:
If you have survived this period that we have, then you can't go back again. Then there has to be a forward development. And then why should we… Imagine that you have a free… You have access to free energy. No one has to argue about space. We have access to space, because we can control gravity. We have free energy. Anyone can get a spaceship, get a house, get everything… We don't have to work for bread. Then why should we go to war? Why should we fight? When there is… Many of the reasons disappear… Because that's why we do it, because we think we have to get ourselves together. That is the mentality that is.
There are many signs that things are moving in the right direction. At the grassroots level, many people get their eyes on phenomena such as circles in crop fields, says one respondent:
This summer, people like that have just fallen in. Plus this thing with cornfield circles, some guys who were down there by themselves checking, and went into these, and then told me. So that I have connected a network of contacts, especially in the last six months, a lot has happened. I've never had that before. And one gives the other. So I think there's a lot going on now at the grassroots level that's not visible.
According to some prophecies, the world is facing transformative and positive changes: "The energy level will be raised here on earth, a lot of things will happen, and time will go faster, and all sorts of dramatic things will happen."
Visitors from extraterrestrial civilizations may soon make themselves known in a more unambiguous way to humanity:
I think we have a lot of stuff that's going to happen in the years that are coming. I think so, but it's not certain to be. This will probably happen both in our technology and in… We may even be able to connect with extraterrestrial civilizations. A lot of people think it's on G now.
Different parts of the world are at different stages in this transformation or development. The people of the North are the forerunners. The fact that the Nordic countries are not directly involved in war is a sign of this. "And then we are fortunate here in the Nordic countries then because we have come much further. We don't have a lot of wars and things like that. But the whole world is not there." Here in the Nordic region, there is generally a greater human ability or maturity. This maturity manifests itself, for example, in the fact that we find it difficult to slaughter animals, something that people from certain other cultures can do without thinking about it. Even an interest in sports suggests that the bellicerious mentality has begun to fade: "We who don't fight, we engage in sports. And it's football games and you get angry and like this… It's like getting an outlet for this energy."
Environmental degradation and the like are a burden on Mother Earth, but this will eventually be able to be remedied and stopped. Damage to the planet can be healed. The temperature rise may be a misunderstanding:
And now that they think the climate and all this… That it's our fault and so on, which I think it's not just, even though we've added our scoop to it, like, that's it… I don't know if you've heard it, but there are… It's not just the Earth that's warming up, it's all the planets in the solar system. There is a lot going on with every planet. Even Pluto is getting warmer, which is so far away from the sun. So it's not just here. And then you might start to wonder if it's just us, and our fault, when the whole thing… In the middle of the galaxy, scientists now know… And this is common mainstream, that there is a black hole… Which they didn't think. They've recently started to admit that's actually it. And not only that black holes suck in, but that they also give out energy. But they emit energy much like at the equator, and at the South Pole and the North Pole, on Earth… So do suns, so it comes out. And they can see that in supernovae and stuff like that. They've seen that. At first, they couldn't explain… How could it come huge… from several million light years, or a thousand light years, different sizes, such large… Well that's because it also radiates energy, in such strange explosions or at black holes and stuff…
The universe is a dangerous place and an asteroid could hit Earth. Therefore, it is lined that we develop a technology so that we can create colonies in space if necessary. Civilizations on other planets, which sometimes visit us, already have such technology. We need to embrace and learn from them.
Becoming a vegetarian is a necessary change of course that must be made: "So that we will not reach the finish line until everyone has become vegetarians as well. As long as we kill our friends like that. As long as there are slaughterhouses, there will be war."
In some parts of the world, the challenges are greater:
We're going to suffer so much, so that in the end we're going to say no, enough is enough… For example, when these Muslim women have… Generation after generation. In the end, they're sad, and that's when things start to happen. So that there will be suffering, more and more suffering, and there will be many disasters, many people will die. It must not be a world of peace and love, unless everyone has come. And then we have a challenge, don't we? It's going to take many years.
There could be another great war. This is something that is mentioned in the new literature:
But there might be some setbacks too for you to k… It's about hunger and satiety, feeling cravings for different things, and then you get full of something. And that this war mentality must have… Maybe you're still hungry before it can be fed.
A different time perspective
The interviewees' time perspectives seem different. The next incarnation is not seen as a distant one. One of the respondents is looking forward to being able to devote herself to space travel in the next life:
And I'm already thinking… What do I want to do for something good in this… How do I want to develop myself so that I can… What do I want to do in the next life? I want to go up there, I've always been fascinated. I feel like I belong up there.
Death is seen as a good thing. One respondent describes how to then get to "another level in the universe where everything is fine." Life here on earth with its trials can be perceived as more enigmatic, how it can be as it is, while there is a conviction if you have actually chosen all of this yourself:
Like an old car, huh, you give it up, so… Why do you have to keep the same car all the time when it's getting old? Yes, then you leave it back… Not an atom you have can die, but it goes back to the system. And then you get a new body, if you want to.
We learn not only for this life, but also for future incarnations:
I say this, from birth to death, we are exposed to things from the outside, to build up and receive the doctrine, so that we know what life is like. A lot of people say this, but what's the point of it? But that's to have it for the next one.
One interviewee said she was in no hurry. When asked if the interviewee longs for the future state that the new spirituality describes, she replies: "But I don't do it like that… Strangely enough… eventually… No, nothing now. I feel like there's so much of this earthly life that I probably want to devote myself to in multiple genes… reincarnations."
Eventually, the individual gets to a point when she feels she wants to take her spiritual development seriously:
Then you get to a point in one of the lives where you feel like I have… yes, I have come to a limit, I have had enough of what I have experienced, or my experiences tell me that I want to move on to something else. And that is where the path really begins, which we are talking about, and which is a more intensified path of experience, you could say, and where in this life you try to go an inner spiritual path.
If anything can be said to be the goal of our development, it is to develop a compassion for all living things:
Compassion is primarily because you recognize your own pain, from your own experiences, from your own experiences, you recognize them in your fellow man or animal, or plant or whatever it is, and so you eventually avoid harming other living beings. And that's probably the goal of development as well, to become so loving that you feel like you're part of the whole. What you do to your surroundings, you really do to yourself.
Man must dismantle his "ego":
Yes, then there's this ego that rules… As I always say to the devil. It's not really the devil, it's egos, as many people say, that yes, there must be a lot of devil in that man. But it is the ego that directs man to do bad things.
The individual is about to become perfect. Such perfection is characterized by a high degree of humanity and wisdom. Already today there are individuals who are perfect or "enlightened". Some are incarnated here on earth, while others are now permanently resident in a spiritual existence. Time and again in the material, the biblical Jesus returns as the model for human perfection: "We shall evolve into, like, Jesus. When we're done, we're like him."
This type of insight also has a moral dimension. People with these gifts are normally very loving: "But then I think you see everything in a love light. That's the idea that you see bigger. You can put it in a different perspective." "The perfect man is like a genius of love."
When asked how these people can be described, a respondent replies:
I think it's pretty classic stuff, as we would. Which you might attribute to saints and… Humility and things like this. But it is above all that they are less self-absorbed, or less self-centered, less their own and more of other, by other people, perhaps by all creation. They're less egos, somehow. But not only as in the way they act, but I really mean in depth, that is, really in depth, in the deepest soul, that they are not. It's like an enlightened one in a way. I think you need to go down that road… You get smaller in the self. And finally, hopefully the self disappears.
This maturity that is the goal and result of the experiences we make is a parallel to what a human being can achieve even in a single life. An informant makes a parallel to his mother:
I mean, my mom can say this… Yes, it's good to… She's eighty or so, but she said that when she was 70. You don't have to be vain anymore, that's so nice. You don't have to worry about what people think, or /inaudible/. It's the same phenomenon, but all over the world. Maybe over many lives. That you think so… ORKA, as well. Tired of things. Because I think it's similar to what it's like in this life. That you're so in… When you're young, you have to do things and build things up and things like that, and then you get a little wiser.
The perfect man is no longer man or woman, but has become androgynous, a hermaphrodite. Then we will no longer start a family or bring children into the world. This means that the individual has been freed from many bands. She no longer needs a representative of the opposite sex, as she now houses all the characteristics in herself. At this level, the individual has become like God, who is also height above such duality. "They say you become one with everything when you're enlightened. You become God, and that's what it's going to be great in the world."
At that point, the individual has a complete bank of experience: "Well then you should have been from murderers, or whatever you want, to something… to have done something good. To have been through it all, and it takes a lot of incarnations."
One respondent does not think that the end goal is for us to become androgynous, but instead want to describe it as having access to both our male and our female side: "No, I think you need to have a balance between the male and feminine energy, just like yin and yang… It's about his balance in giving and receiving."
There will be a paradise on earth. National borders will be dissolved and everything will be as one nation. The new-age system of thought is consistent with an indigenous religion that existed in the past. It was this wisdom that Christ taught from the outside, for example, but which then partly fell into oblivion. The major world religions have played an important role and still do so, but in time they will be replaced by this common religion. Already in five hundred years there will be many people in the world who are deeply embracing this understanding of life. In three thousand years, the world will have achieved perfection. Humanity agrees on all the major issues.
However, the new spirituality does not describe a final goal. A "kingdom of heaven" on earth with perfect people may seem like a grand vision, but this kingdom will still be only a station on the way. "The goal and the goal… There is no direct goal. But things look like they're going to get there." Nor can it be said that life has a certain meaning, that it is about something certain: "Yes, it depends. Then you have to define the question. Because really it doesn't. The only purpose of life is what we fill our lives with." "Evolution itself… it has no goal SO, because you never get to an end point."
One of the respondents discusses the idea of eternal development and transformation within the new worldview. That this must go on forever, otherwise life would be like nothing. To live a single life or to be able to achieve a definitive end goal would in practice be almost the same: "As soon as you cut off infinity into something finite… As soon as something becomes finite, even if it's huge, it's practically nothing. Compared to eternity, something finite is always close to zero."
All the people are going there. And you could say that, that is our current goal if we are to talk about goals. That is humanity's goal then. It's only a milestone, but…