- Interviews 2009-2010
- I. Background and relationships
- Ii. Ideological residency and practice
- Iii. Destiny and life laws
- Iv. God or a larger, orderly body
- v. Health, ill health and care
- we. Faith and knowledge
- Vii. Visions and goals of the future
- Summary i-vii
"I mean hospitals? It's supposed to be called a freshhouse. Fuck you and learn how to stay healthy. Don't go and learn how to get somewhere when you get sick."
What the interviewees generally say about illness, health, self-care, etc. What the interviewees think about the care that society provides. What the interviewees say about how health care should ideally work.
Body health care
Somatic care is viewed with some skepticism. One interviewee tells how she tried to get her friends and acquaintances not to be vaccinated. Traditional care is too much focused on curing, rather than prevention. One of the respondents has previously worked in healthcare and says:
The health care system as it works, I'm very disappointed that it's as conservative as it was when I worked in it… Hierarchical and very focused on diseases and as well as somatics. So very little on prevention, and on a holistic approach and on health and so on.
Today's health care is too focused on fixing or repairing when the individual has already become ill, while it should work more preventively:
And that's where there's a shortage in today's society, with stress and… There is nothing preventative. There's… I mean hospitals. It's supposed to be called a freshhouse. Fuck you and learn how to stay healthy. Don't go and learn how to get somewhere when you get sick.
The National Board of Health and Welfare is too strict and opposes alternative perspectives being able to have an influence in healthcare, according to one respondent. At the same time, there is something good about them doing this, according to the same person, because otherwise it could have many unwanted consequences.
Psychiatry, Psychotherapy and Psychology
Today, psychologists work "too narrowly". Today's psychology is mechanistic: "Pavlov's dogs." Some can be achieved with desensitization and the like, to put out desired behaviors and the like, or cure phobias, but psychologists should aim higher than just "dog psychologists". Psychologists and therapists need to be more open to the existential dimension, not so much being "inside these mental corridors and tramping". An existential understanding should form the very basis for how they respond and try to help their clients.
Psychotropic drugs are not the future. Instead, the individual needs to get to the bottom of their problems and not be passive in the role of being a victim of circumstances. Psychiatry must be able to offer "a rational solution to the mystery of life", it is not enough with "valium or snack therapy". In therapy, it is common to just "dwell and dwell" and be asked how you had it in your childhood, without any real change happening. After that, the client moves on in life and it looks just like before. Instead, one should take a holistic approach and possibly give concrete advice, which can be followed up on the next visit, according to another interviewee.
People are at risk of being caught between psychiatry and the Church, both of which lack real knowledge of the truly existential perspectives and, at worst, only send clients between them. Therapy that helps people get in touch with experiences they've had in past lives can be useful. Newness, with its karma and reincarnation thinking, has "tremendous explanatory potential" and conventional psychology should acquire these perspectives. Focusing on the current life is often not enough to understand why a person is having a hard time. In these cases, you need to be able to take in the larger perspective. Without this, the wrong conclusions can easily be reached.
A respondent who for many years suffered from severe depression, without doctors being able to help her, finally had to come to a psychotherapist within the county council, who helped her. The interviewee says that she often tried to raise the spiritual perspective with her therapist, but that he had averted this and emphasized that they would instead talk about what was more close. This is what the interviewee understands today:
I was frustrated because I didn't think she understood anything /laughs/. But she was like that… It doesn't matter if I understand it or not because it's not. That's not what we're going to talk about. And I think that was good for me. Then I really got to be there, and be in me, and I would solve my personal problems, not to be in it. So it was great right then. But then I was done too /laugh/. And then I don't know, if… Too many times I could sit and think that she might be spiritual, but that she held it back so that I wouldn't go into it too much, but that I would be in it. So either she was shitty and completely the wrong therapist, or she was just the right therapist and damn skilled. I'm hoping for the last laugh.
The respondent says that although she still wishes that the "spiritual part" will have a greater place in healthcare, she has after all enjoyed the care and help she has received.
An interest in this kind of spirituality may be associated with certain risks. These risks are partly the same as respondents indicate for traditional religiosity, such as stagnation and narrowness, but the newer spirituality is also associated with specific dangers.
It is important that psychological maturity precedes spiritual development, one of the interviewees points out. Otherwise, there may be an imbalance. The individual must not run ahead of himself, it can be risky. In particular, this applies to exercises aimed at activating the so-called "kundalini energy". The inconvenience of this particular energy, in turn, is linked to what are called "chakras". Problems with kundalini energy can manifest themselves as a burning sensation in the head, in the "crown chakra" of the person, if it hurts. The interviewee tells about a stay at a course farm where a man has become very ill due to such exercises. However, through a woman who could provide healing, he was helped:
It is on such course yards where it is with such spiritual development, and medium development, and hello and mock, then there are those who… I was in such a school… And then there was a guy who, he got really bad. He got so fucking sick. He had… I don't know how much you're familiar with the kundalini energy and so… It's a great energy when it's in its right places. But at his worst, the kundalini energy was… It should be in the spine… It was completely loose in his body. And that energy is so powerful that it can burn apart from within. His crown chakra was wide open. Because we had worked a lot this week, with spiritual development, some personal development, and no grounding. And that's what's so important that you soil, soil, soil, soil.
In most cases, however, there is a natural barrier, according to the interviewee, which means that most people cannot actually activate or access such spiritual forces until the psychological preparatory work is done properly. They "tear themselves blue" with various exercises, but without succeeding in making any spiritual progress. In severe cases, there may be so-called "spiritual emergency". The symptoms of this are similar to psychosis, but are not the same thing. One of the interviewees has a close relative who has been wrongly diagnosed with psychosis, when in fact it was such a spiritual emergency:
My fatigue is that there is a lot of unresolved from when I was a kid. And my mother had psychoses, and hello and taunts. Which turned out not to be psychosis, but it was spiritual emergency. She opened up too fast, and then there was a lot of Jesus, and hello and taunts, so that yes… So you have an understanding of it.
Suddenly bringing up memories of past lives can also put the individual at risk of losing their footing. One of the respondents tells how she herself questioned her sanity, thought that she might have become psychotic, when she first started to get such feelings or pictures. But since she was otherwise fine, she came to the conclusion that there must be something else behind it. There are in the data stories about having an elevated sensitivity that can be troublesome. This may make it necessary to be extra careful about the situations in which the individual puts himself in. This is described as the person experiencing that a certain place may have "low energies", which can make it difficult for the person to function optimally there.
There is also a connection to the spiritual development of the individual. It is an ideal to be "open" and to try to develop such receptivity, but this also makes the person extra sensitive to influences. An openness to influences from the spirit world is not automatically a good thing. It is important that the person's channel is clean.
Sometimes the individual may feel bad because of their "twin soul", in such a way that the person captures the mental state of the twin soul:
But that's also the way it is. Which I didn't understand at first… That's one of those telepathic things. I thought, okay, he's a little disturbed. I kind of get resonances like this, or whatever the hell it's called, huh, it sounds a little like this… He relieves himself a little bit of my burden. But, no, it's not just that, it's… Yes, yes. you know each other. It's also… I read a little later, and I knew this existed. With that person, if there is… Even if you haven't met it, I think, I don't know… But especially if you've met it, or live with it, you have a yes telepathic contact. That you can, if you sharpen up, some people can read each other's thoughts and so on. But you get the same symptoms and so on, pain… Anxiety, for example.
Symptoms with roots in past lives
Trauma and difficult experiences in past lives can cause symptoms and problems in current life. In the data there are many testimonies of problems arising from previous incarnations. One interviewee says that she had previously used to feel severe discomfort when she would receive a syringe or when medical staff needed to put a needle in order for her to get a drip. During a session with a medium, the interviewee obtained pictures of how in a previous life she had been subjected to various medical experiments. From that day on, the respondent's discomfort in this area decreased.
One respondent tells me that she grew up during a period when it was fashionable with polo jumpers. However, she was tormented by wearing such garments, as it felt like she was choking. These problems worsened more and more. She knew then that there must be something else behind it. Under hypnosis, the respondent had to relive how she had been beheaded in a previous life, in France. After this treatment, the problems disappeared.
One of the interviewees says that she had long had trouble talking, that she used to stand up and therefore often chose to keep quiet. During a visit to a medium, she asked him for advice. The medium then told me that the respondent's problems were related to the fact that in a previous life she was taken into care in a monastery and there was forbidden to speak. The medium prepared a jar of herbs that she put on the respondent's neck. The respondent had then become very sad and began to breathe heavy. Today, she understands that it was something that has kept up with previous life, but that dropped because of this treatment and that meant that she now has less trouble speaking.
One respondent tells us that her desire to do things that feel meaningful was explained through a conversation with a medium, which had explained to the respondent that in a previous life she had fallen as a soldier:
In a previous life you were a soldier and when you were lying there in the trench, you realized that this is completely pointless to lie here. And then you got shot at the very same moment, and that feeling you've had with you ever since. So I understand you don't want to do meaningless things.
Many common phobias can have a similar basis: "There are people who, for example, do not like water, you do not like heights, and things like this, then it may be that you died like that. You drowned or fell." One interviewee says that the back pain she suffered from was explained by experiencing the original trauma of a previous life. In that life, she had been hit by a drone. This recollection allowed this trauma to dissolve, something that would have been difficult to achieve in other ways, according to the interviewee.
Another respondent says that as a child she learned to swim like any other child. In her teens, however, during a camping holiday, it's like she lost this ability and she sinks. This is something incomprehensible to her. After that, many years pass, but in the end the respondent decides to seek help from a hypnotist. He can then tell that the interviewee drowned in a previous life when she was just in her teens. After this consultation, she no longer has any trouble remembering how to swim.
Even if the individual only imagines that it is a past life that she experiences, but that she thus manages to get rid of some problem, there is something good about it, according to one respondent: "Reincarnation therapy that some people can benefit from as well, that you might… Either you just think you're reliving a past life, with some trauma from there as well, that can dissolve some knot."
The importance of childhood
The extent to which it is experiences in childhood or in this life that have characterized us, different commandments are given. That the individual would have brought with him his experiences from previous existences is more likely:
And then I find it much more reasonable to imagine that I had them from earlier, than that they turned into somewhere in some giant trauma there that I… Okay, even if I didn't get the answer, I kind of got an explanation hypothesis, on why I've become like me… Why it went the way it went. I had practiced a lot of junk throughout my life.
Childhood experiences are rarely enough to explain the problems the client has. Some pieces of the puzzle may stem from this life, but not all. The therapist can turn and twist things as much as possible, but there will still be bits missing. It is wrong to attribute such great explanatory value to childhood. To understand why a certain person suffers from psychosis or schizophrenia, for example, many different levels need to be considered. The fact that the individual grew up with disturbed parents is apparently not enough, since some children get sick, while others do not, although they have seemingly had a similar upbringing. Nor are theories that some people are born with a greater fragility enough. Why are some people born with more fraily? Today's psychology cannot explain this, one respondent points out.
Well, it is then claimed that one's behavior has an impact on life, and that what happened in childhood has an impact on how one becomes and how one is shaped. It's just that the one-life hypothesis cuts, and then you basically lose the explanatory value, I think… Childhood is too narrow.
The interview responses also show that what we experience will be a mixture of things we have with us from past lives and things that belong only to this life: "No, then you probably have luggage with you too, besides… But I think it's very strong when you grow up." It can be difficult to know what is the background to experiencing an event as we experience it or why we feel the way we do. However, there are some opportunities to investigate the reasons for this. One of the informants, who also has experience of having attended psychotherapy, says:
If it's that I get angry at things. But find out… But what am I getting angry about? Why am I getting angry? Is it something from when I was a kid? Or what is it. You can also go in from past lives and see what is going on.
The Future of Health care and terminology
The interviewees talk about experiences of many different treatments, both psychological and bodily. Some of them are established, such as psychotherapy and hypnosis, while others are more unusual or alternative. Regression therapy/reincarnation therapy, relaxation exercises, guided fantasies, rose massage, light body therapy, HoloSync, etc.
Several of the respondents have experience of receiving so-called healing, and/or working on such things themselves. One of the respondents receives treatment with something called "plejadhealing", where the therapist combines this technique with both setting the client's horoscope and giving home exercises:
But then, once you've found this problem, with the help of this healing, you can go in and remove that programming… For example, there may be programming that you are worthless, because you have heard it from your parents all your life. Then you remove that programming, and then you go in and, well, whatever it needs to be done… If you need to repair cell memories, or… But what she also does is combine it with CBT.
A kind of help that occurs in many places in the data material is visits to and/or treatments of people with medial abilities. For example, such people may provide information about the clients' past lives. This is different from so-called regression therapy where it is the client himself who experiences and possibly sees images from previous incarnations. The medium can convey contacts with dead relatives and friends, as well as provide information about living people about whom they should reasonably know nothing. A medium may have a "helper" who is on the spiritual side, possibly elsewhere on earth, whose insights the medium can gain. The person who acts as a medium may sometimes need to appropriate the message to the client. It is important that the client has the conditions to understand and will not be harmed by what the medium tells us.
A respondent tells about healing with Christian overtones, and she has translated certain words into something that suits her conceptual world better:
But this kind of healing in the name of Christ, you go in… If it's a mute, for example, you go in and say… Then take away that spirit. And then that person starts talking again. And this is kind of there. If you believe it, you can do it. Yes. And for me, so that I translate into my language, it becomes energies. Or blockages and energies.
One interviewee went through hypnosis for a period in order to remember past lives: "Because that's interesting. Because I think most people would need it to lighten these LOCKS that depend on man."
There is also so-called transpersonal psychology, which one of the interviewees highlights as promising and in greater harmony with the spiritual perspectives. It is not enough to just talk about the unconscious in man, one must then connect it to something greater. Carl Gustav Jung is considered an ideal:
But on the other hand… Perhaps the difference between this classic psychology is that you… Jung knew there was something else, he was a bit like this. But others only talk about the unconscious… But then from there, connect it to something bigger… That when you are in direct contact with your true desires, then you also have a god contact… Your will, not mine.
In the future, healing will be something people do to themselves, instead of going to a special healer for this. One interviewee believes that it is a parallel to how the development has been for the centers that organize meditation and yoga classes:
But perhaps it is the same as this yoga and meditation storm came across Sweden. Then everyone would go to classes, meditate and yoga. But now no one goes to these courses anymore, because you do it at home instead. And maybe it will be the same with healing, that people understand that everyone has that ability. You can do it yourself.
Vidarkliniken, run by the anthroposophists, is mentioned as an example of a healthcare facility with a laudable and interesting philosophy.