- Interviews 2009-2010
- I. Background and relationships
- Ii. Ideological residency and practice
- Iii. Destiny and life laws
- Iv. God or a larger, orderly body
- v. Health, ill health and care
- we. Faith and knowledge
- Vii. Visions and goals of the future
- Summary i-vii
"Yes, I think the universe is burging, the universe is learning the whole… Kind of like a fractal, like a tree, it kind of… We can be seen as a… When we look out into the world, we really look back at ourselves and ourselves. The universe looks back at itself through us."
What the interviewee says about a larger, orderly instance in existence. Under this theme, descriptions of the divine are collected. For the sake of readability, "god" and "he" are sometimes used in the running text, but without considering whether such greatness actually exists or how it is disposed of. In cases where this seems to fit best, "God" is written with a large initial letter.
Names for God
Such a larger coordinating body in existence is called, for example, "Universe", "Power of God", "A strong energy of God", "Pure Love", "A loving force", "The Great System of Life", "Something", "Cosmos", "A Higher Consciousness", "An Energy", "Universe" and "Light".
Personal or impersonal
The idea of whether God is personal or impersonal is not clear. Although this higher instance is analogous to the universe itself, it records what is happening: "The universe that kind of knows exactly what is going on", it "learns". "The universe looks back at itself through us." One interviewee believes that this "life system" can make choices:
I see man as a small world where this person sitting here is really only a small part, admittedly a very important part, but still a small part, in an even larger system. And it's like the big life system that chooses, and it chooses… How specifically it chooses, I don't know.
One interviewee said she struggled with the question of God's nature:
I've always had a hard time with God. I've put it aside. My brain is too small, I can't understand it. That's what I thought, huh? But I can't imagine there would be an old man up there, and I think so… It's one of those outdated… I don't think there are many who… Maybe that's what I think now, but… So I kind of laid… I've stayed open… I am still keeping the question open. There is no personal God. You don't really need God. If everything is one, and all parts of the universe know what all other parts do.
After some consideration, a respondent has concluded that it is not a personal god: "Maybe no one really knows then, unless there is a god. I wonder what is there, because there is something."
Yes, no, no. It's an energy and a consciousness, I would say. Nothing personal… no. I think… If you want to make God personal, you limit God. So that God is impersonal," says one of the interviewees, but adds, "That there is something much bigger beyond me, I feel very strong all the time."
When asked about the existence of God, one of the interviewees says that if someone can invent a technology that demonstrates that there is a god, or with the help of equations can lead this in evidence, then first she would be convinced:
If someone convinces me that there's a personal god sitting up there, with… yes, but okay. But no one has. Because anyone who says they've talked to… I've talked to God. Well, what does he look like then? No one has met God, yet they say they are talking to him. I can't believe it, can I? But if someone can develop a technology, prove to me with equations like, then I might find it much easier to believe it, huh?
One interviewee believes that this difficulty in defining God is shared by many today:
I think… This is what everyone says these days. I don't believe in God, but I believe in a higher consciousness. And that's the way it is, then… Yes, in that form… I left the Church of Sweden a few years ago, so I'm not… I don't believe in God in that sense. But of course I will otherwise, yes.
A more personal description reads:
Yes, both. No, it is not personal in the sense that I kind of talk to my god, this Augustine thing, that it is really an appeal and dialogue, so I have not. But of course… My image of God, however, is that it knows everyone by name, yet somehow, and yet provides every opportunity for… It has some kind of personal appeal, even if… Yes, all people are somehow counted, or thus, there is a consciousness of you as a person, it is not anonymous in the way, that it is just a kind of blind goodness, but it is a goodness that also feels, or a light that also feels… Where every ray of sunshine is somehow on its way to YOU in some way.
I have a… Not the god we worship in the Church, or, no, not that kind of thing. I don't believe in God, or Jesus, as any person like that. I don't have that faith. Without me, I think this… God is within you, within each. And then, this one… The message is love for all, it is my faith. And then we're all little gods, more or less.
A respondent likens God to a supervisor or teacher: "If you now say that you finish and become an angel then, for example, I think it is like the angel's boss in some way, who constantly teaches everyone around you about love." The same respondent continues: "But it's just a force so that somehow… They say you have God in you. He's everywhere, so maybe he's not a man, but there's some power everywhere."
Height above all dualities
On God, no gender pronouns fit: "He is everywhere, so maybe there is no one, but there is some power everywhere…" "But I can't imagine there would be an old man up there." God is also not evil or good: "So there is no good and evil, there is no such duality, for God is everything, even evil, so to speak. So only we see evil as evil, for that contradiction is not in God."
The interviewees agree that this larger body, whether personal or impersonal, has a vast extent. Life itself can be said to be this God. Everything is part of this system, everything and everyone is part of the same deity's body. The universe is a single living being, where physical reality constitutes the physical side of God. A respondent refers to how this has been described in the Bible:
The tree that grows over here is like nothing but God. It's not that there's a tree, and somewhere else there's God, and if he wants to, he can snatch it away. It's part of his being. And this is really… There are also such thoughts in Christianity. Paul is… For it is in God that we live and are…
We meet God, among other things, through our fellow human beings, who are part aspects of this all-encompassing deity: "But if everything is God, you live in a constant correspondence with god. When we meet a fellow human being… It's a divided point of God." "Our individualized self is only part of God's self. So we are part of God's self."
It is possible to feel a deep affinity with all creation, as everything in existence is connected to visible or invisible bonds. This brings with it a sense of purpose and community:
Yes, it has to do with everything then being connected, if you are then into this with thoughts and feelings and all that stuff, so as the whole world is connected, even… I mean, there are different waves of life, with man, with the animal kingdom, with the plant kingdom, and with the mineral, and they are kind of more connected than you might think.
No one is ever separated from God. No one needs to feel alone. It is also natural to share, even your possessions. The belief has an ethical meaning:
I don't feel alone, so alone. I don't feel separated from… I feel like I'm part of… So life becomes more meaningful, the more meaningful it makes more sense to SHARE, for example. Because everything I do, I do to myself because I'm connected to everything. I'm not separated. It's not like that. Oh, MY stuff, like, like, like this.
God's relationship with us
God doesn't favor anyone, but he doesn't shoot anyone. God doesn't care if the individual believes in him or not. God does not make a difference between people.
It shines light on you, whether you know it. All people have some kind of… a personal ray of light that comes to them, without them even knowing it, they may not be religious at all, may not be interested in any spiritual perspective, but they still get the help they need.
Although it is a god described in predominantly impersonal terms, it is still not a god that can be doubted. It is possible to experience a comfort and a security in relation to this higher instance.
God is just. He works through the laws of nature, which for the respondents also includes the idea of reincarnation and the law of karma. Therefore, it can be argued that God is someone who helps us along the way, forward to the goal of becoming more humane. That he contributes to our suffering along the way, he does this out of love. He would not let anyone suffer for what someone else has done. He will also not allow us humans to blow ourselves and the planet in the air, for example, according to one respondent: "He has no gain from us all disappearing, what will he do. He doesn't have anyone to coach."
God is described in several places in contrast to the Church's image of God and the image of the newness of God is then emphasized as superior. The Christian conception of God diminishes him, for example by attributing this human-like qualities:
For example, I remember one occasion, I was at an outdoor church on a nice summer day, and then it was a… Yes, it was a judgment prose even, and in his sermon, for example, he said this: God will be SAD if people do this or that. Ooh! I felt like there was a bad level to that. That's not how God works. If you dare to have an opinion on how God works, he will not be sad. So yes, I thought it was a really low water mark.
God has no way of destroying and changing the fate of the individual. But from a different perspective, it is still possible to see everything as a collaboration or communication with God, where even the painful experiences are part of a re-creation of man. This is something God participates in out of love:
He helps us, and there is nothing to develop on other than suffering. And the sooner we learn that love and humanity apply, and peace, he will show us the way. And since we can't learn if we don't suffer, this is going to continue. So it's out of love.
We are like cells in God's body, and just as we ourselves are not aware of every cell in our body, God is not aware of us either:
Without God, if we say so, it has nothing to do with us really /laugh/… In the way that… I mean, we have nothing to do with the individual cell in our body. It's not that the cell kind of prays, but the end… The cell lives in symbiosis with us. It gets what it needs. It's like a system that it's part of. Similarly, we are part of these larger systems without God, if we say so, being aware of where… We know these cells exist. But I don't know. I don't know anything about these cells. I don't know how they look, or where they sit, or anything. I just know they exist somehow. Approximately the same relationship we then have to the corresponding higher being that we are part of as cells and constituents then.
God helps us, but the time perspective is different. There is no immediate relief or relief from the difficulty on offer. Even if the individual experiences a lifelong suffering, however, this is only a fraction of his entire development:
You could say that God, if you want to, you can say that… Can't you come in and help… But I do. It's just that… We're thinking… If you think from a one-life perspective, 80 years is a long time. If you think from an eternity perspective, it's very short, very short really.
How respondents communicate with God
The individual can feel guided. These are people who are invisible to the individual but who can help her in different ways. Their answers or advice are heard as "voices" or "words", but not in a way that seems morbid. The existence of God is possible in parallel with other communication:
I believe in God, but I'm still like… wow. I'm experiencing stuff that's… For example, lots of guidance. When I say that, what do I mean by that? That I can ask for things. Ahh, I haven't had time to have coffee in the morning. It would be nice to be invited for coffee like this. Every place I come to… You can have some coffee over there. That's it. But also that I can ask so-called guides then… I feel like there are people with me. Who answers. They don't answer… I don't hear voices and all that. They respond in some way to my head. There will be words. And how do I know that? I don't know, but it's somehow words that come faster than I can think /snaps with my fingers/. Or maybe it comes before the thought.
One of the respondents explains how such guidance is a central part of her everyday life:
I feel completely guided… I ask for help all the time… I ask for help every day, with different, what my problem is, what I need help with, so I ask for it. Then it comes to me, in the form of a meeting with a person who tells me something, like… Ahh, okay, thanks, I moved on.
She also uses this type of communication in her work as a healer. Since she is unsure of exactly how it works, she turns to many different instances at the same time with her prayers:
But as when I stand and give healing, then in the face of healing, I ask Jesus Christ, God, and all my guardian angels and guides for help, for I have not really… I don't know what it is. I know there's something higher that helps me and guides me, but I don't really know what it is.
One way to determine whether a guide is correct is to wait until you receive the same message from three different directions:
You can be guided in a lot of other, amazing ways. People say things to you. Or that you have to get it done in many different ways before you get it. Three different people have to say the same thing to one, at different times, to understand that… yes but okay, now it's the third person who says it to me, now maybe I should start listening to this guidance.
When asked if it is a god that we can pray to, an interviewee responds by referring to the Bible. The Sermon on the Mount says that God already knows what a man will ask for. God already knows what we need. This makes prayer something secondary, according to the interviewee. Prayer can be used as a form of self-care:
Yes, prayer has one, not only outwardly seen like that, but it also has a healing… for the soul, our OWN soul, and prayer as such in ALL contexts do you good, for each… Since many people don't think… I am not religious enough to pray, but in my case I pray, not to become a better person or anything, but I pray for it to heal MY soul.
The Theocidé Problem
The question of how there can be a god when there is so much misery in the world, the so-called theodicé problem, that question is misresolved, according to an informant:
They are talking about God, they are talking about like a supreme being who has all… Total power over man and everything in the world and so on. How can he be all-powerful and at the same time good? He must either be not good or not all-powerful. While… From my point of view, if I may express myself so presumptuously, there are… There is no malice in the fact that this happens… Seemingly bad or bad things. But there is a reason why evil happens.
Even the most unpleasant events get their explanation in this way, although it is important to think about who you share these analyses with:
A standing problem, for example, is these extermination camps during the Third Kingdom, World War II. Jews, gypsies and homosexuals were persecuted and gassed to death and so on. If there is justice in the world, I don't think that would happen. This is the theodicé problem. But if reincarnation is reality, then one can imagine that there is a reasonable explanation. But it is very sensitive. I never talk about it with other people who aren't into these thoughts. Because then most people rage out in anger… So I think you should avoid that. But as an explanation of the theodice problem, it is good enough. I can't find anyone better anyway.
Christians tend to submit to God and expect them to be able to come and sort out their problems. They are also too focused on how they are doing in this one life, and are unable to see that this is just a small piece of a much larger panorama. Moreover, they do not understand that the individual himself is responsible for his fate:
If you look at this life as the only thing, it's so important. Oh, I'm having such a hard time… And yes… You don't see the big picture… First of all, I've been guilty of these difficulties, and secondly, I'm going to have to solve this somehow. Don't be some kind of infantile idiot who falls to his knees and prays that God will come and fix everything.
With the new spirituality, the image of God changes, what he can and cannot do, and thus also the expectations the individual may have about someone who will fix problems and make things right:
But the whole new age, I think, then you have to reevaluate this, if-there-is-a-god-who-sees-me-the-idea. It's a little weird. God should go in and fix the problems in the world. And it is an image of God that still makes a distinction between, here is the world and somewhere else there is God, and then he can go in and tinker there, if he wants to, or he does not.
One of the respondents argues that the state of the world shows that there must be a competing force in existence: "But I believe in more than just God, if you say so, i.e. I am not like monotheist in the sense that it is a god and so it is humanity, or so."
The world is created by a kind of higher power, or powers, but it was not meant, so to speak, as it now looks, it was not intended as… The original as divine creation… If so, it would have been all good, and really a kind of perfection really… Thus, an imperfect world must reflect an imperfect creator, whether one has that it is a creator, or vice versa.
Although God may seem somewhat abstract, there are, however, several invisible individuals with whom the individual can have a personal relationship and who are described as having more active, caring qualities. Examples of this are angels, guardian angels, "guides", or spiritual guides, who can in a more direct and appropriate way put themselves in contact with a human being and help and support him. Rather, it is with such individuals that we may experience a personal contact:
No, I think, and know and feel, that there are like other helpers… You're taken care of, that's man. And have help, and can receive support and guidance, if you can open up to it then… So yes, there is a lot of comfort and security in it to get, which like… He is not a personal God.
One of the interviewees describes that she got a new picture of such angels, compared to how she thought of them when she was growing up:
For a very long time I had a picture of heaven that, like, well, there were some dusty angels. You know those old-fashioned angels, with big wings and hoods, and they knew nothing about this life, and they were just old-fashioned and yes… But that's changed completely.
Here, even former relatives or friends, who have died and are now in the spiritual dimension between two incarnations, can also take on the task of guiding or assisting us. One interviewee points out how it is former relatives who act as helpers from the spiritual side: "But I recognize them from some lives. yes, so I think I know… That was probably that father in that life. It feels that way. Maybe there are angels too."
When the individual is to leave the spiritual world and incarnat again in a physical body, he is assisted by sympathetic and highly developed individuals who are on the other side. These are likened to "heavenly advice." Sometimes these individuals may need to motivate or persuade the person to incarnat. One of the informants refers to such testimony she heard:
So now it's time for you to go down again. No, I can't, I don't want to… Because it wasn't fun. But you have to, you still have this to learn and so on, so they had to get down anyway, even though they didn't think it was so much fun then.
There are also perfect souls who no longer need to incarnat in the physical world for their development, but who have an interest in, for example, teaching us who remain here. These can sometimes communicate through so-called "channels", as mentioned above. Some animals, such as dolphins, can be far developed and serve as a "guide" for humans. One of the interviewees has come into contact with this:
You could say a different kind of therapy as I've been. I've been to a channel like this since that we talked about before. A woman who, yes, she can see past lives, and she has various guides then, including a dolphin. And yes, it's great.
Our planet is seen as a living organism, which has parent-like qualities:
A lot of people say they think it's 2012, or, it's going to go wrong, and doom and all this… I don't believe that. I think our Mother Earth has the resources to cope with… Even how we pigs down into the environment, destroy and… I think there's still something that makes it heal.
There is life on planets other than ours. Individuals from these worlds visit earth. They have progressed further in the development is us and have a more advanced technology. Their involvement increased after World War II, when a country used atomic bombs for the first time in warfare. Authorities in different countries are aware of these visits, but have so far chosen to cover this up for citizens. These extraterrestrial visitors show us great care, for example, preventing various disasters from happening or mitigating their effects. However, visitors' patience may be limited:
They don't want to babysit us, but we still need some help. I think they've quarantined us, because we're so aggressive here. They say that too. I believe that, it actually makes sense. Because we're aggressive, we're fighting and we're on the go.
The Divine in Man
God's consciousness can be likened to the sum of these higher spiritual aspects of our higher spiritual. Man also has "a higher self" or "a higher self" who, while incarnated in the physical world, is on a spiritual level. It is found "in the higher layers somewhere, and is a light being just like Jesus or any other of these great ones." This relationship is described in a song lyrics by the artist Tomas DiLeva:
I think God is something very big that you can never understand. So you just have to give up. You just have to accept it, you can't understand it. But at the same time, Tomas DiLeva is right when he… I don't know if you've ever listened to him. He wrote a song called Everyone is Jesus.
We all have "an atomic spark" that survives death. This spark has an eternal existence and incarnates over and over again.